Asociación Española de Esgrima Antigua

Navegando durante una tarde aburrida me encontré una página donde venden espadas de un aluminio especial, del cual dicen maravillas, que si no se rompe, que si con una protección mínima no hace daño, etc. Me gustaría saber si realmente son prácticas para un combate libre y a fuerza completa. Gracias.

La página es esta:

http://www.varmouries.com/weapons/practice.html

Gracias por adelantado.

http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/re ... eview.html
Revision de una organizacion de esgrima.
En ingles

Saludos.

Acabo de leer la prueba de las espadas de aluminio. Aunque en su mayor parte lo que dicen es cierto, no puedo por menos que disentir en un punto importante, y haceros una advertencia.

Vamos a ver, en la AEEA hemos tenido la oportunidad de probar estas mismas espadas, gracias a Manel, uno de nuestros miembros que posee dos. Tras probarlas, pudimos constatar que es cierto que son muy robustas, bien construidas, y quizá lo más difícil de encontrar, que están bien equilibradas. Tienen los "filos" planos y muy gruesos, y no se mellan apenas. Las empuñaduras están bien en cuanto forma y dimensiones y su manejo es fluido y poco cansado. Hasta aquí maravilloso, pero también hay malas noticias. Las hojas son muy gruesas, y por ello rígidas, pese a que en la prueba decían que no. Y luego está su masa. Las espadas pesan 1.4 kilos y, pese a su buen equilibrado, sacuden unas leches de cudado.. así que eso de que con una ligera protección se pueden usar no es secundado por nosotros.
Estas armas pueden muy bien romper una clavícula (por ejemplo) si te descuidas un poco y sólo llevas una prenda acolchada.
Cuando nosotros las probamos, llevávamos el equipo estándar de protecciones que usamos en las clases de mano y media, semejante al de los miembros de la AEMMA pero con la adicción de un peto con protecciones flexibles de Kevlar para pecho, espalda y hombros. Es decir, que íbamos más protegidos, y sin embargo, el combate terminó desarrollándose con mucho cuidado y control pues ambos contendientes notaron enseguida que se podían hacer bastante daño si se "emocionaban" .

Por ello, la contestación que debo dar a la preegunta que abría este post es NO. Con estas espadas NO se puede pelear alegremente a plena potencia sin buenas protecciones.... Y ésto me lleva a la segunda parte de la advertencia .

Si habéis observado las notas a pie de página de la prueba, vereís una que quiero destacar por su importancia: Las personas que desarrollaban esos combates eran miembros de una escuela de esgrima histórica con al menos 18 meses de entrenamiento.
Nunca podremos dejar de indicar la importancia de recalcar este punto elemental: Para desarrollar un combate de esgrima, y más a plena potencia, se necesita primero saber esgrima.

Si alguien quiere una de estas espadas para entrenar, muy bien. Son una excelente opción, por precio y durabilidad, para el entrenamiento y el combate semilbre, y con ellas a buen seguro se aprenderá bastante. Pero Mucho cuidadito con liarse a mamporros alegremente, que puede acabar la cosa en el hospital, y más teniendo poca práctica y control. Antes de llegar a ésto hay que aprender al menos las bases de la esgrima y también hay que procurarse unas buenas protecciones. No dejemos la integridad de nuestra osamenta a merced del adversario.

Un saludo.

Oscarionte

Muchas gracias por las respuestas. Ya imaginaba yo que eso de que no hicieran daño...jeje. Bueno, pero es que una espada de acero de entrenamiento no hace tambien daño?

Por cierto, me gustaría saber el tipo de protecciones que utilizais para entrenar a fuerza completa y donde podría conseguilas aquí en españa si es posible.

Por cierto, dentro de una semana me llegarán tres espadas de esta página:

http://www.rsw.com.hk/index.htm

Pedí dos espadas bastardas y una Chinesse Bagua Jian. Ya os contaré lo útiles que son para entrenar.

Bueno, pues eso, que me han llegado las espadas que pedí hace tres semanas, y ayer estuve probándolas. Son de foam forradas con una especie de tela sintética, bastante débil. Estuvimos luchando una hora y cuando el filo golpeaba en las guardas, la tela se cortaba. Vamos, una decepción, no creo que duren más de tres días, aunque estoy pensando en forrar con foam las guardas, a ver que tal así.

En lo que se refiere a seguridad están muy bien, no duele, pero espada contra espada, al ser foam rebotan y no es muy real. Tanto el equilibrio como el peso son correctos.

En lo que se refiere al precio, si volviera atrás no me las volvería a comprar, eso lo puedo hacer yo en casa y me sale casi gratis jeje. En fin, dadas las circunstancias tendré que recurrir a espadas de metal.

Tengo una preguntilla, ¿son más seguras las espadas negras o las de aluminio?
¿qué tipo de protecciones serían adecuadas para cada tipo de espada?

Hello. I'm sorry I can't write in Spanish so I'm writing in English and see if I can help. I'm the founder of Realistic Sparring Weapons and Wisewolf's swords were made by us here in Hong Kong.

I'm sorry that the swords suffered damage in hitting the guard. However, in the instruction manual that shipped along with the swords, it stated the blade should avoid hitting the guard or it will risk damage. In fact, even a a real sword's sharp edge would get nicked if hitting the guard.

As of the bounce during blade to blade action, this can be minimized by applying lubricant on the blades before the bout, as instructed in the instruction manual again. I personally use soapy water for it is cheap and readily available. Some of my USA customers apply a kind of bee wax or Teflon to the blades before sparring for these lubricants' slippery effect last longer. You may find apply your own choice of lubricant to emulate metal slippery and by then see if the bouncy problem is improved.

For more information, you may visit the following URL:
http://www.rsw.com.hk/instructions.htm

I hope that you will enjoy the sparring experience with our swords and we strive to improve the products with your feedback. Please don't hesitate to email me if you have any further problems. Thanks.

[ quote=&WiseWolf&]Bueno, because that, which the
swords have arrived me that I requested three weeks ago, and I was
proving them yesterday. They are of foam covered with a
synthetic, quite weak fabric species. We were fighting one hour
and when the edge struck in the guards, the fabric was cut. We
go, a deception, I do not believe that they last more than three days,
although am thinking about covering with foam the guards, to see so
that thus. In which one talks about security are very well, it
does not hurt, but sword against sword, to the being foam bounces and
he is not very real. As much the balance as the weight is
correct. In which one talks about the price, if she returned
back me would not return them to buy, that it I can do I in house and
it leaves jeje almost free to me. In short, given the
circumstances I will have to resort to metal swords. I have one
preguntilla, are safer the black swords or those of aluminum?
what type of protections would be adapted for each type of
espada?[/quote ]

I apologize for forgetting to give you a suggestion in how to patch up the torn blade. In order to do so, you may apply the broad transparent tape used in sealing cardboard boxes to seal the opening on the fabric cover.

Lancelot Chan escribió:Hello. I'm sorry I can't write in Spanish so I'm writing in English and see if I can help. I'm the founder of Realistic Sparring Weapons and Wisewolf's swords were made by us here in Hong Kong.

I'm sorry that the swords suffered damage in hitting the guard. However, in the instruction manual that shipped along with the swords, it stated the blade should avoid hitting the guard or it will risk damage. In fact, even a a real sword's sharp edge would get nicked if hitting the guard.

As of the bounce during blade to blade action, this can be minimized by applying lubricant on the blades before the bout, as instructed in the instruction manual again. I personally use soapy water for it is cheap and readily available. Some of my USA customers apply a kind of bee wax or Teflon to the blades before sparring for these lubricants' slippery effect last longer. You may find apply your own choice of lubricant to emulate metal slippery and by then see if the bouncy problem is improved.

For more information, you may visit the following URL:
http://www.rsw.com.hk/instructions.htm

I hope that you will enjoy the sparring experience with our swords and we strive to improve the products with your feedback. Please don't hesitate to email me if you have any further problems. Thanks.

[ quote=&WiseWolf&]Bueno, because that, which the
swords have arrived me that I requested three weeks ago, and I was
proving them yesterday. They are of foam covered with a
synthetic, quite weak fabric species. We were fighting one hour
and when the edge struck in the guards, the fabric was cut. We
go, a deception, I do not believe that they last more than three days,
although am thinking about covering with foam the guards, to see so
that thus. In which one talks about security are very well, it
does not hurt, but sword against sword, to the being foam bounces and
he is not very real. As much the balance as the weight is
correct. In which one talks about the price, if she returned
back me would not return them to buy, that it I can do I in house and
it leaves jeje almost free to me. In short, given the
circumstances I will have to resort to metal swords. I have one
preguntilla, are safer the black swords or those of aluminum?
what type of protections would be adapted for each type of
espada?[/quote ]

Ok, I will prove with the lubricant, and I will tell you my experiences with it.
I was fighting for two hours the last tuesday, and I saw that the Realistic Sparring Weapons were correct. Now only I need buy a helmet because my eyes are not immortals

You are always welcome.

According to our experience, once you put on the lubricant, 50% to 80% of the bounces will disappear because the momentum of impact will become sliding motion and I hope you will find it enjoyable.

We also patch the torn blade with tape here, though we do not strike the guard intentionally. But we do understand that sometimes it is accidental and a tape will be helpful to stop the torn increasing.

Happy sparring! (yes, get a helmet. )

WiseWolf escribió:Ok, I will prove with the lubricant, and I will tell you my experiences with it.
I was fighting for two hours the last tuesday, and I saw that the Realistic Sparring Weapons were correct. Now only I need buy a helmet because my eyes are not immortals

Hello, I'm RSW customer too

It is true that if you hit the guard, the blade will be damaged.

I use tape, as instructed by Lance, to fix it up too.

I had been sparring in berserk mode since Feb this yeay, and the swords still go well,

RSW are very durable, I am sure. For so many time I hit the round, guard,

people, anything that you can imagine, they are still functioning very well.

Alfred Wong,
Hong Kong

Alfred Wong escribió: For so many time I hit the round, guard, people, anything that you can imagine, they are still functioning very well.

What are still functioning very well? People or the swords?

That shall be ground

Everything's functioning well, hee hee.

Just to share my newsgroup's link...

I have opened a newsgroup for RSW customers and fighters,

to discuss anything about RSW or related topics.

Please feel free to leave a message or two,

I hope that you will enjoy discussing there.

news://news.asdfasdf.org/asdf.interest.rsw

In order to let everyone know what we are talking about,

I would like the newsgroup to be English based, thank you.